Patinated P1

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    • #7100
      Russell McCleaveRussell McCleave
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        Ben. May I have your number please ? Mine is 07776 195866.

      • #7099
        Dave LoveysDave Loveys
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          Russell, I have just come in from my workshop having been working 0on my P1 drivers side A post. Judging from the age of your car, unless the A posts have been replaced I would certainly want to check them out. Does the door lock catch work loose? On my car that was the first sign of trouble. If you unscrew one of the screws holding the catch in place will give you an idea of what is in there. Lower down on the A post there is a little locator bracket that should mate up with a half moon shaped piece of rubber. This helps locate and hold the door in position. If this is loose, or it may have been fibreglass into position, there is another clue to rotten wood. Gaining access to the A post is not as difficult as you might think, if youare brave. The aluminium shell is bent around the wooden frame and pinned into place. If you can’t see the pins, or the edge of the aluminium, the I suspect it has been filled with body filler to get the shape and finis required. I shall use filler on mine before painting. You can probe this with a sharp screwdriver or similar. If this is the case in order to access the A post, you will need to remove all of it. Once done the aluminium edge should now show. If the wood is rotten removing the pins is relatively easy.  If the wood is good relax and go for a pint. Just remove a small section of filler to check. If you need to replace the wood, then uncover the whole door edge, remove any filler and get out as many of the pins as possible. Next, using a sharp screw driver  or an old wood chisel, get the blade underneath the edge of the aluminium and gently pry it away fro the timber frame. I have done this twice now on my car, and the aluminium is still OK. I just pry it away little by litte working my way along the frame. Once I can get a pair of pliers underneath the edge I use pliers, but only bend the aluminium a bit each time. Hopefully your aluminium will be as forgiving as mine has been. A warm atmosphere would be an advantage. I have photos and descriptions of my work oon my P1 in this technical section of this forum. This afternoon I have just refitted and tacked into place my aluminium. If you wish you can ring me any time. 07850 655132. I will ring you back if I can’t take the call because I am driving. Some of the lorries Don’t have hands free facilities. Dave.

        • #7098
          Russell McCleaveRussell McCleave
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            Thank you Ben.

            The Woolies buffers are too small to match the existing one on my car.

            The Complete Automobilist have the size I need.

            Car show:no, Uppingham: trying to be available.

          • #7096
            Russell McCleaveRussell McCleave
            Participant

              Thank you Ben. Very useful. Thant link would be most welcome. Is there a way to direct message in this forum ?

              • #7097
                Ben StevensBen Stevens
                Keymaster

                  Sadly no way to direct message no. I’ve tried, but it would require a bit more work to set up than I have spare at the moment.

                  The buffers are sold by woolies, here

                  https://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/product/982/door-buffer

                  Are you going to the dinner dance next month? Or the Resto show (Dave will be there with his P1)

              • #7094
                Michael KnapmanMichael Knapman
                Participant

                  Russell
                  I don’t think you will be able to purchase the fuel filler grommet from the Complete Automobilist as they are ” special” to Allards. The ones from a pre-war Ford V8 look similar but they are not. The only place to obtain reproduction ones are from a bloke called Mike Knapman! The other items on your shopping list you should have no problem.

                  In one of your earlier posts  you said the roof rain gutters had been sealed with clear silicon. As you suspect the gutters are just strips of aluminium formed into a channel and tacked to the roof. The silcon is a way of preventing ingress of water which will rot the wood and the edges of the head lining.

                • #7092
                  Russell McCleaveRussell McCleave
                  Participant

                    Rear window reinstalled, the only casualties appearing to be the rear ply seat back, and the ply boot floor.

                    Tried to expose the O/S A post but seems covered in metal. Perhaps the attached photo from the underside indicates what lies within?

                    Parts needed: 2 x wiper spindle grommets, 1 x door buffer ‘receptor’, filler neck to body seal/ grommet. Buy from The Complete Automobilist ?

                    • #7095
                      Ben StevensBen Stevens
                      Keymaster

                        Here’s a picture of Dave’s gutter removed from his car.

                        I have a link somewhere to a site that sells the buffers and receiving metal part for about 4 quid. I’ll dig it out.

                         

                      • #7093
                        Ben StevensBen Stevens
                        Keymaster

                          Check out Dave’s Post on here and you’ll find a wealth of useful info and pictures of his A pillar replacement.

                      • #7091
                        Dave LoveysDave Loveys
                        Participant

                          Russell.  I will give you a full reply on Sunday. I have owned a P1 since 1973. It underwent a full restoration between then and 1996. I have used it since then and done over 60000 miles in it. I was forced to stop using it in 2015 because the A post had become rotten again. There are photos on our forum. As I say I will send you a full run down on Sunday. I am working tomorrow.

                        • #7090
                          Russell McCleaveRussell McCleave
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                            Good Evening gents, and thank you for your input.

                            Today removed the rear window ready for resealing. All that was holding it in were the timber trims, no wonder it was letting in water. There’s clear silicone all along the roof gutters: I guess these are separate to the roof panel, and can let water in ? The windscreen and A-posts are generously siliconed too ! I’m assuming any folds/ joins in the metal of the A-posts is a potential source of water ingress ? Without silicone, the windscreen can normally be opened at the bottom, right ?

                            At first glance, the door apertures appear approx. 10mm wider than they should be to accomodate the door and gaps, along their bottoms. There’s no distorted metal work, so I assume the bases of the A and B posts have not somehow moved to be further apart from each other than they were 70 years ago: hopefully not, and just a bit of jiggling required to make the door fit better.

                            Unlikely to make it to Uppingham.

                          • #7075
                            Ben StevensBen Stevens
                            Keymaster

                              Welcome to the club Russell,

                              As a fellow P1 owner I’m sure we’ll have a lot to talk about, and Dave Loveys the club captain also has a P1.  We’re both in the west country (Dave’s in Devizes and I’m in Ilminster) but both always happy to help where we can.

                              I’d be very interested in seeing some pictures as you take your doors apart.  My P1 is er..rather a custom job, so I’m having to make a lot of it up as I go.  The door inners are something I’d love to see.

                              Are you planning on attending the dinner dance in a few weeks time?  It would be lovely to chat in person and show pictures of our cars!

                            • #7074
                              Ron DowleRon Dowle
                              Participant

                                Hi Russell good to see ORL 87 has gone to a good home. Along with Mike who has a lot of Allard knowlage tucked away in his head.  Dave Loveys, the club Captain is also  great when it comes to working on P’s. He is working on his door frames as we message. Have a look at his Forum postings about working on his P.  I am sure he would also be happy to advise you.  Ron

                              • #7073
                                Michael KnapmanMichael Knapman
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                                  Russell,  the door hinges are usually (!)  attached to the B post  by countersunk set screws with nuts to the rear. You may have to remove a trim panels by the rear seat to get access to the rear of the B post.
                                  You do not however have to remove the doors to inspect their interiors
                                  You should be able to get access to the internals of the door by removing the door cards which are secured to the doors by dome headed slotted screws in cup washers.
                                  To remove the window winder handles and the internal door handle press the sprung bezels between the handles and the door cards bezels  towards the cards and tap out the pins which will be revealed.

                                   

                                • #7071
                                  Russell McCleaveRussell McCleave
                                  Participant

                                    Good Evening.

                                    I’m the optimist from Lavenham, Suffolk who bought the ex-Peter Bowen car on the recent ‘Car&Classic’ online auction.

                                    Not the best idea to buy sight unseen online, and I guess some aspects of this car disappoint, but overall, not bad.

                                    It’s had plenty of mechanical work between 2017 and 2018, but the body needs attention.

                                    Priority job is to re-seat and reseal the rear window, then replace the boot floor and rear seat seatback.

                                    Rear seat leather is salvageable, not so sure about the fronts.

                                    I think I’ll have to remove the doors to properly inspect their internals, and the A-post lower sections will need my attention.

                                    Any ideas on the best method to remove the doors ?

                                    Paint is poor, but I like that look.

                                     

                                     

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